pagan continuity hypothesis

Mark and Brian cover the Eleusinian Mysteries, the pagan continuity hypothesis, early Christianity, lessons from famed religious scholar Karen Armstrong, overlooked aspects of influential philosopher William James's career, ancient wine and ancient beer, experiencing the divine within us, the importance of "tikkun olam"repairing and . And so how far should this investigation go? And that's what I get into in detail in the book. He has talked about the potential evidence for psychedelics in a Mithras liturgy. I think it's important you have made a distinction between what was Jesus doing at the Last Supper, as if we could ever find out. So somewhere between 1% and 49%. And I think it's very important to be very honest with the reader and the audience about what we know and what we don't. Pagan polemicists reversed the Biblical story of the Israelites' liberation from Egyptian bondage, portraying a negative image of Israelite origins and picturing them as misanthropes and atheists. The phrasing used in the book and by others is "the pagan continuity hypothesis". Which, if you think about it, is a very elegant idea. And at the same time, when I see a thirst, especially in young people, for real experience, and I see so many Catholics who do not believe in transubstantiation, obviously, what comes to my mind is how, if at all, can psychedelics enhance faith or reinvent Christianity. So I think it's really interesting details here worth following up on. I wonder if you're familiar with Wouter Hanegraaff at the University of Amsterdam. We see lots of descriptions of this in the mystical literature with which you're very familiar. So let's talk about the future of religion, and specifically the future of Roman Catholicism. Now, here's-- let's tack away from hard, scientific, archaeobotanical evidence for a moment. The Tim Ferriss Show Transcripts: Brian C. Muraresku with Dr. Mark And much of the evidence that you've collected is kind of the northern half of the Mediterranean world. And that that's how I-- and by not speculating more than we can about the mystical supper, if we follow the hypothesis that this is a big if for some early communities of Greek speakers, this is how I'm finding common ground with priests both Catholic and Orthodox and Protestants. And according to Wasson, Hofmann, and Ruck, that barley was really a code word. difficult to arrive at any conclusive hypothesis. And for those of you who have found my line of questioning or just my general presence tedious, first of all, I fully appreciate that reaction. And Ruck, and you following Ruck, make much of this, suggesting maybe the Gnostics are pharmacologists of some kind. In the Classics world, there's a pagan continuity hypothesis with the very origin of Christianity, and many overt references to Greek plays in the Gospel of John. And I just happened to fall into that at the age of 14 thanks to the Jesuits, and just never left it behind. It seems entirely believable to me that we have a potion maker active near Pompeii. Where are the drugs? The Tim Ferriss Show | iHeart Tim Ferriss is a self-experimenter and bestselling author, best known for The 4-Hour Workweek, which has been translated into 40+ languages. And for some reason, I mean, I'd read that two or three times as an undergrad and just glossed over that line. Now you're a good sport, Brian. Part 1 Brian C. Muraresku: The Eleusinian Mysteries, Discovering the Divine, The Immortality Key, The Pagan Continuity Hypothesis and the Hallucinogenic Origins of Religion 3 days ago Plants of the Gods: S4E1. What's different about the Dionysian mysteries, and what evidence, direct or indirect, do we have about the wine of Dionysus being psychedelic? CHARLES STANG: Well, Mr, Muraresku, you are hedging your bets here in a way that you do not necessarily hedge your bets in the book. But what we do know is that their sacrament was wine and we know a bit more about the wine of antiquity, ancient Greek wine, than we can piece together from these nocturnal celebrations. CHARLES STANG: So it may be worth mentioning, for those who are attending who haven't read the book, that you asked, who I can't remember her name, the woman who is in charge of the Eleusis site, whether some of the ritual vessels could be tested, only to discover-- tested for the remains of whatever they held, only to learn that those vessels had been cleaned and that no more vessels were going to be unearthed. Now we're getting somewhere. The universality of frontiers, however, made the hypothesis readily extendable to other parts of the globe. Things like fasting and sleep deprivation and tattooing and scarification and, et cetera, et cetera. #646: Brian C. Muraresku with Dr. Mark Plotkin The Eleusinian Mysteries, Discovering the Divine, The Immortality Key, The Pagan Continuity Hypothesis, Lessons from Scholar Karen Armstrong, and Much More by The Tim Ferriss Show Here's what we don't. And she talks about the visions that transformed the way she thinks about herself. The continuity hypothesis of dreams suggests that the content of dreams are largely continuous with waking concepts and concerns of the dreamer. And so that's what motivated my search here. Here's another one. But I'm pressing you because that's my job. How does, in other words, how does religion sit with science? The Immortality Key Book Summary by Brian C. Muraresku And then was, in some sense, the norm, the original Eucharist, and that it was then suppressed by orthodox, institutional Christianity, who persecuted, especially the women who were the caretakers of this tradition. What does ergotized beer in Catalonia have anything to do with the Greek mysteries at Eleusis? It was it was barley, water, and something else. She found the remains of dog sacrifice, which is super interesting. But it just happens to show up at the right place at the right time, when the earliest Christians could have availed themselves of this kind of sacrament. But it survives. In the afterword, you champion the fact that we stand on the cusp of a new era of psychedelics precisely because they can be synthesized and administered safely in pill form, back to The Economist article "The God Pill". Pagan Continuity and Christian Attitudes: When did Paganism End? Not because it was brand new data. Origin of the Romanians - Wikipedia I appreciate this. What is its connection to Eleusis? First I'll give the floor to Brian to walk us into this remarkable book of his and the years of hard work that went into it, what drove him to do this. The Tim Ferriss Show. BRIAN MURARESKU: Now we're cooking with grease, Dr. Stang. I imagine there are many more potion makers around than we typically recognize. And what you're referring to is-- and how I begin the book is this beautiful Greek phrase, [SPEAKING GREEK]. Thank you. This time, tonight I'll say that it's just not my time yet. Nazanin Boniadi So that's from Burkert, a very sober scholar and the dean of all scholarship on Greek religion. I'm skeptical, Dr. Stang. And so if there is a place for psychedelics, I would think it would be in one of those sacred containers within monastic life, or pilgrims who visit one of these monastic centers, for example. That's only after Constantine. Newsweek calls him "the world's best human guinea pig," and The New York Times calls him "a cross between Jack Welch and a Buddhist monk." In this show, he deconstructs world-class . The whole reason I went down this rabbit hole is because they were the ones who brought this to my attention through the generosity of a scholarship to this prep school in Philadelphia to study these kinds of mysteries. So I want to propose that we stage this play in two acts. BRIAN MURARESKU: Great question. PDF Thesis-The Religion of Constantine I - University Of Ottawa That is, by giving, by even floating the possibility of this kind of-- at times, what seems like a Dan Brown sort of story, like, oh my god, there's a whole history of Christianity that's been suppressed-- draws attention, but the real point is actually that you're not really certain about the story, but you're certain is that we need to be more attentive to this evidence and to assess it soberly. And I feel like I accomplished that in the afterword to my book. CHARLES STANG: All right. #646: Brian C. Muraresku with Dr. Mark Plotkin The Eleusinian Or maybe in palliative care. This event is entitled, Psychedelics, The Ancient Religion With No Name? Biblical Entheogens: a Speculative Hypothesis - ResearchGate So when you take a step back, as you well know, there was a Hellenic presence all over the ancient Mediterranean. BRIAN MURARESKU: I'm bringing more illumination. A profound knowledge of visionary plants, herbs, and fungi passed from one generation to the next, ever since the Stone Age? This is going to be a question that's back to the ancient world. Dogs, indicative of the Greek goddess Hecate, who, amongst other things was known as the [GREEK], the dog eater. What does God mean? On Monday, February 22, we will be hosting a panel discussion taking up the question what is psychedelic chaplaincy. Yeah. I see something that's happening to people. That there is no hard archaeobotanical, archaeochemical data for spiked beer, spiked wine. CHARLES STANG: OK, great. And you find terracotta heads that could or could not be representative of Demeter and Persephone, the two goddesses to whom the mysteries of Eleusis were dedicated. #646: Brian C. Muraresku with Dr. Mark Plotkin The Eleusinian And her answer was that they'd all been cleaned or treated for conservation purposes. Brian launched the instant bestseller on the Joe Rogan Experience, and has now appeared on CNN, NPR, Sirius XM, Goop-- I don't even know what that is-- and The Weekly Dish with Andrew Sullivan. There's also this hard evidence that comes out of an archaeological site outside of Pompeii, if I have it correct. Despite its popular appeal as a New York Times Bestseller, TIK fails to make a compelling case for its grand theory of the "pagan continuity hypothesis with a psychedelic twist" due to. And apparently, the book is on order, so I can't speak to this directly, but the ancient Greek text that preserves this liturgy also preserves the formula, the ingredients of the eye ointment. So I think this was a minority of early Christians. he goes out on a limb and says that black nightshade actually causes [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH], which is not unpleasant visions, i.e. But we at least have, again, the indicia of evidence that something was happening there. But maybe you could just say something about this community in Catalonia. So that's something else to look into. Despite its popular appeal as a New York Times Bestseller, TIK fails to make a compelling case for its grand theory of the "pagan continuity hypothesis with a psychedelic twist" due to recurring overreach and historical distortion, failure to consider relevant research on shamanism and Christianity, and presentation of speculation as fact

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