by differential tempering of the blade. Not just Gunto but Napoleonic ,K98 bayonets you name itSo look out in the future ! Anyway, if ok, can I post some pictures to get your expert opinion on my purchase? Given the large jump in value that NCO swords have experienced in the last few years and given how relatively easy it is to copy something that is cast and milled without a lot of hand work involved, I think it is only a matter of time, and not much time at that, before the fakes are indistinguishable from the real thing. If the blade is aluminum, the sword is not
If you cannot see this grain or do not know what to look for, assume it is carved bone, not ivory. were signed simply as a way of giving more prestige to the sword even though it was machine made. Swords of this type were made in all sizes, from tanto to katana or tachi. I'm not trying to be rude, but we don't know you and your authenticity in your posted reasons to be here. the tsuka casting made me look 3 times, but just look at the stamps on the nakago, Ok, a little later I will add a photo of the unpainted serial numbers. Hi I'm a newly signed up member of the site. is signed, that it must be hand made. NEVER CLEAN THE TANG OF A JAPANESE SWORD OR TAMPER WITH IT IN ANY WAY!!! Overall a very nice condition WW2 Type 95 NCO Katana that will appreciate in value over the coming years. When ANY doubt exists as to the authenticity or
NCO Katanas were issued to soldiers who did not want to take their family sword to battle or who came from poor families that did not have swords to pass down through the generations. They are getting better with the Kokura cannonballs, but this one - the lines are to thin, the balls too big. $4200. An etched temper line will be seen as a smooth cloud lacking any internal features. The detail that troubles me is the saya suspension ring being in the right place. I probably say this way too much BUT to flog a dead horse, the NCOs have a ton of small variations between subcontractors and between batches themselves, so just something to keep in mind. The Kokura Arsenal did not produce any Type 95 Shin Gunto but over-saw the production of these swords so its identification stamp is often found on Type 95 swords. These items are purchased for the quality of the carving only. This law exempts antique firearms from any form of gun control or special engineering. is just ridiculous.They HAVE genuine ones to copy. 20062021 Nihonto Message Board They sell it for 165 EUR everywhere. The serial number, 31278, and arsenal stamp are marked above the bohi (fuller). I completely agree with Bill here. NOTE: The following suggestions for determining whether a Japanese sword is old or new (WW II era or later) are only general guides. All Images and Text Copyright 2003-2023 International Military Antiques Inc. All Rights Reserved. The first question to be answered - is it a real sword or a modern replica or an
And even if your intentions are completely legitimate, the "bad guys" are still out there and could read this post. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. As I said in the other NCO topic. You can't sell weapons on ebay.de it is forbidden and ebay close your account. The grip wrapping and menuki are cast-formed. There are old sword blades which have no visible grain (muji hada); however, the presence of grain does
I sent the seller a message. During the WW II era, many machine made blades
Seppa intergrated in the fuchi is a no go here. Amounts shown in italicized text are for items listed in currency other than U.S. dollars and are approximate conversions to U.S. dollars based upon Bloomberg's conversion rates. You can post now and register later. Machine made blade is good condition. Please quote item reference S72 (0690). Maybe he is just one of the many merchants capitalising on a class of people with more money than they know what to do with. Second the Font isn't even close. Obvious two issues are the scabbard pattern and additional screw. This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. The sad part is someone probably will buy one of them too. on a single criteria. Whether a blade is
Referencing Carlo's post from last year, I also used to collect some German (for MANY years) and was quite confident in my ability to spot fakes, but I admit the quality is now off the charts (especially helmets) and it forced me totally out of that hobby. the rayskin (same') are prayer papers to protect the soldier in battle. (NOTE: Some swords may have two mekugi - one near the guard and the other near the end of the hilt. Please see our. The type and color of the rust is used to help date and to authenticate the blade. All orders are subject to acceptance by IMA Inc, which reserves the right to refuse any order. Paste as plain text instead, from China There are some Chinese replicas of these out there, however this sword is definitely genuine. Here is my last IJA type 95 copper handle nco sword the I own. late, now sold). Today I checked, just in case the sword was pulled from sale, and lo and behold there is a 'rare copper handle' now listed, clearly of the same manufacturer. This law exempts antique firearms from any form of gun control or special engineering. Compact Chainsaw (Tool Only) New, Legion 5 Pro 16" Gaming Laptop QHD 165Hz R9-6900HX 16GB RAM 1TB SSD RTX 3070 Ti, Pokemon GO Premier Deck Holder Box Dragonite VStar Collection Sealed, JBL Live 300TWS True Wireless Earbuds Sweat and Water Resistent, Tenda SG108 Network Gigabit Switch 8 Port 10/100/1000Mbps Wired Ethernet Lan Hub, Calvin Klein Men's CK19137S-200 Fashion 63mm Brown Sunglasses, SanDisk 1TB Extreme Portable SSD V2 1050 MB/s USB-C USB 3.2 Gen 2 Solid State, Luxury Premium Soft Comforter Hotel Collection by Kaycie Gray, AKG Y500 Wireless Bluetooth On-ear Headphones with Universal Mic/Remote, Men's Dri-Fit Causal Cotton Polo Shirt Jersey Short Sleeve Sport Causal Golf T, 110V-1350W Water Heater Portable Electric Immersion Element Boiler Travel Coffee, Apple iPhone 12 Pro Max, A2342, 128GB, Graphite, Unlocked, Very Good Condition, ONE PIECE TCG BOOSTER BOX ENGLISH Paramount War FACTORY SEALED NEW, 6.5 x 9.25 Padded Bubble Mailer Color Logo, Intel Core i9-13900KF Unlocked Desktop Processor - 24 Cores (8P+16E) & 32 Thread, USB-C to USB-C Cable Male Type-C Cable Cord Fast Charger Charging Data Sync, Versace Dylan Blue by Gianni Versace 3.4 oz EDT Cologne for Men New Tester, OPTIFAST 800 READY-TO-DRINK SHAKE - 1 CASE - VANILLA - 24 SERVINGS, Lint Filter WE03X23881 Compatible with GE Dryer, LED Solar Firefly Lights Garden Outdoor Waterproof Swaying Lamp Landscape Decor, adidas AEROREADY Designed to Move Feelready Sport Tee Men's, PlayStation 5 Digital Edition God of War Ragnarok Bundle, Cuisinart JK-17FR Cordless Electric Kettle - Certified Refurbished, Dyson V10 Animal + Cordless Vacuum Cleaner | Purple | Certified Refurbished, Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Nano 13" Ultrabook Intel i7-1160G7 16GB RAM 512GB SSD, Tracfone Orbic Journey V (2) + 1 Year of Service with 1200 MIN/1200 TXT/1200MB. There are also numerous reproduction and fake Japanese swords on
Screws. For more recent exchange rates, please use the. Examine the hamon with a magnifying glass. the market. They don't need to read the NMB daily to see if there are any tips. This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. The blade is quite bright and, while there are some scratches and spots, there are no cracks, chips, or rust. Usually the copies are considerably lower, making it very obvious. It sounds to me like he was indeed a 3rd party procuring items. Truly disappointing. a good first indicator. Could this thread please get a Fake tag? Most handmade
The grip still retains much of its brown paint, being approximately 70% intact, and the golden yellow paint on the cherry blossom menuki is approximately 50% intact.
Japanese NCO Katana Sword - Shin-gunto Type 95 Short fuller. more then I would pay but I'm grinch, https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/WW2-Japanese-Type-95-NCO-Sword/222687760837?hash=item33d93991c5:g:KZAAAOSwIJlZ6-vP, another version, price is abit high but a honest piece, https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Original-WW2-Japanese-Shin-Gunto-NCO-Samurai-Sword-extremely-rare-variation-3/332424959489?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D48795%26meid%3D4f20fff958304da4af55f1ba88fb7e90%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D222687760837&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851. kink one side but is overall very good for its age; the locking Mauser 99 in post 15 look to the scabbard throat and you should see the brass sleeve visible.Also with the MountCastle example the paint still looked fresh in the overly large fake serial number on the throat..Shame really because the one that is on the site with a painted hilt but marked sold is a real one,and nice too ! Authorized for production in 1935, the Type 95, commonly referred to as the NCO sword was all-machine made unlike the more expensive and higher-quality Officers sword. The serial number on the throat of the scabbard, 65830 matches that of the blade. Scabbard retains around 70% of the original paint. Even non-mechanical artsy-fartsy stuff. I can't get over the prices on these nowadays.. crazy, https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-WWII-Japanese-NCO-OFFICERS-SWORD-WITH-MATCHING-NUMBERS/253234351978?hash=item3af5f18f6a:g:wxsAAOSwAHtZ94Dm. WW2. Real swords, decorative, historical, fantasy; humor, social, ID requests, shopping help, art; all sword-related topics are welcome (we are not very strict about topicality)! The scabbards and hilts are usually designed to resemble bamboo or old wood sticks. To a novice who buys on impulse..then asks in the forums.you'll get BURNT. Blade length approximately 27 1/2 inches . I have been searching for years for a good reproduction of a Japanese Shin-gunto NCO sword. . IMA considers all antique guns offered on our website as non-firing, inoperable and/or inert. It will have shrunk and is likely frayed and worn. Some older (Shinshinto)
Complete with metal locking spring tab that secures the blade to the scabbard. http://ohmura-study.net/790.html. Shamsy lonely panet. The copper ferrule has three stamps . signed or not has little to do with determining if it is handmade or the age of the blade. Sorry for the bad news. If the blade is not sharp all the way to the habaki does not assure it is a WW II era blade, but is
But machine made swords like this one do not have the accuracy of manufacturing that enable the Habaki to perform such a function. Sometimes they get irate. This being despite the machine made blade an cast aluminum hilt.
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Original WWII Japanese Army Type 95 NCO Katana Sword with Leather Cove General McCarthur did not want the general population to be able to arm again. This is a fake for at least two obvious reasons : 1- copper hilted type 95's, or 1st generation T-95's are very scarce and have only 4 digits serial numbers (around 6000 produced). Would need in hand to see many more. Sword canes (Shikomi-zue) mostly have very low grade blades. Japanese WWII swords are amongst the most copied/faked of all swords and prospective buyers should beware. This example has a matching serial number 93225 on both the blade and the throat of the scabbard. This is a very scarce and important very early production Japanese Army Type 95 NCO Sword. Can anyone tell me more about the sword than a cursory googling has resulted?
Question Regarding WWII NCO Shin-Gunto Fuchi Markings - Sword Forum If the tsuka can be dismanteld from sword with out removing the sarute and barrel, its a fake! This scabbard also has an original leather field cover, which has discolored and shrunk over time. The Type 95 NCO sword is similar in appearance to officers Type 94 and Type 98 Shin-gunt military swords, but is made of lower quality materials, most notably its hilt, which is made from metal and the scabbard was similar to that of the Type 32 with a prominent drag. A World War II Type 95 Japanese Army NCO sword on which the sword blade and scabbard both have matching serial numbers. National Guard Marksmanship Training Center. in the hilt. Didn't want to explain to much, because that sword copys get better and better. Sincerely, Eugene Quote vajo Gold Tier 5.8k Location:Germany / Bavaria Name: Chris Sch. Close up and of kissaki and bohi termination is a must. Clear editor. The matching serial numbers indicate the sword was taken off Title 18, U.S. Code, Section 921(a)(16) defines antique firearms as all guns manufactured prior to 1899. can be. Your previous content has been restored. antique or of recent vintage.
Help settling an argument on Japanese type 95 - swordforum.com All the best. Real swords only had flat-head screws.
WWII Japanese Army Type 95 Tokyo Arsenal NCO Shin-Gunto Sword I'll be an optimist Did he say to use as the basis for copies? IMA works diligently to be aware of these ever changing laws and obeys them accordingly. Eligible for all payments - Visa, Mastercard, Discover, AMEX, Paypal, Amazon & Sezzle. June 23, 2016. like many dealers, there main concern is profit, regardless of the piece being a reproduction. Most swords do not . Also many Chinese military swords are confused with Japanese swords. Gun magazine laws, concealed weapons laws, laws governing new made display guns, airsoft guns, blank fire guns, and other items vary greatly by nation, state and locality. All orders are subject to acceptance by IMA Inc, which reserves the right to refuse any order. Hope he listens. The blades are very straight and thin and often have significant flaws. By once told the facts they simply try and sell it on at the same price they paid, to avoid a loss of money instead of learning from there mistakes. C $1,999.99 . I need attribution not for sale, but for museum exhibit.
The painted handle and scabbard color look very nice, even though there were still some parts not correct compared to the real one, but it will fool a lot of people. . Serial range could be wrong as well but, I cant see them. WW2 Imperial Japanese Type 95 pattern Army NCO's sword, sold In good condition and with matching sword vs scabbard serial numbers, this is a 100% guaranteed authentic WW2 Imperial Japanese Type 95 pattern Army NCO's sword / katana. The great majority of these swords are made of carved bone, not ivory. Opens in a new window or tab. Most sword canes were produced in the late 19th Century - early 20th Century. You may severely injure yourself and/or damage the sword. It is said that during battle soldiers would not use the ring but rather would stick the sword through the belt the same way as the Samurai in ancient times. It's also really interesting that it looks like the original serial numbers on the scabbard and blade matched before they were ground. WW II era swords will show prominent grain (hada). Grain does not determine age. They are unfortunately getting pretty good now.
I need help dating this Japanese Type 32 Cavalry Saber : r/SWORDS - reddit All NCO swords were numbered. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. I recently took the plunge and made my first Japanese sword purchase.
WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO swords: signs of a (bad) fake A new sword was pointed out to me recently which is very well made and in fact at first glance addresses a lot of the issues with obvious fakes. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. I do share Greys sentiment though. no interest to Japanese sword collectors. The best place to look is at the serial Numbers. But a small percentage made its way back to the United States and into the collector market. This claims to be made by Suya Shoten, but their standards and quality control were much higher than this. Title 18, U.S. Code, Section 921(a)(16) defines antique firearms as all guns manufactured prior to 1899. The end of WWII marked the beginning of the sword ownership ban in Japan. For questions or accessibility help - please call (908) 903-1200. The end of WWII marked the beginning of the sword ownership ban in Japan. These items are of
Traditionally this function is assigned to the Habaki (blade collar). Here is a decent fake Stu W. posted over on WAF. Check the military sword page for examples of WW II era
Where should I look for records or production date/serial number guides? The aluminium hilt / tsuka has good amounts of its These are all machine made and are not classified as "Nihonto". Japanese WWll Army officer`s sword in mountings, Mantetsu made "Shigefusa", 1939, " MOTOHARA BLADES SGT-" JAPANESE SWORD/TAMESHIGIRI/KATANA/IAIDO, 40" White Dragon SAMURAI NINJA Bushido KATANA Japanese Sword Carbon Steel Blade, 1095 Clay Tempered Hand Forged Folded Damascus Carbon Steel Full Tang, Katana Sword Clay Tempered T10 Steel Choji Hamon Brass Tsuba Japanese Samurai, Leave feedback about your eBay search experience - opens in new window or tab. Older swords will have more rusted tangs, ranging from brown to smooth deep black rust for the oldest swords. Traditionally this function is assigned to the Habaki (blade collar). The collctors in China can spot the fake easily as well,and they pay more than us to get the real ones. Display as a link instead, The grip wrapping and menuki are cast-formed. 2023 GriffinMilitaria.com. Even so, enough to fool a novice. Many of the better
Thanks sean, Your email address will not be published. However, it is ultimately the responsibility of the buyer to be in compliance of laws that govern their specific location. I just want an accurate reproduction. Serial number 116501 with matching saya. I have NO idea what that belt hanger is supposed to be. No habaki. This prevents the sword from falling when the soldier is running. As the tang rusts and ages, these become progressively smoother and less distinct. This page was last updated: 04-Mar 05:55. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Any so called "ninja sword" is pure fantasy. Typically it is for food and baby goods and it is actually a livelihood. Japanese swords will have a visible grain in the steel of the blade. Here are the expected photos of the serial numbers. By placing an order, the buyer represents that he/she is in compliance with the law and will utilize the items in a lawful manner. See how many more you can pick!
WW2 Japanese NCO Sword - Matching #s, First Type (Copper Handle It has the correct arsenal markings on the hilt collar (fuchi) and blade, and the spacers (seppa) are cast and rounded, while the replicas are crudely cut. Everything for sale on ima-usa.com is completely legal to own, trade, transport and sell within the United States of America. October 27, 2017 in Military Swords of Japan. Does the blade show a true temper line (hamon)? Rarely is a high quality blade found in sword cane mounts; however, some of
It now takes an expert to tell the difference between a Chinese $25 copy ROLEX and the real deal, right down to the automatic movement.
Original WWII Japanese Army Type 95 NCO Katana Samurai Sword with It's 40 inches overall, with a 33.5" blade, and weighs roughly two to two and a half pounds, or 101cm with an 85cm blade, and about a kilo for all you metric enthusiasts.
A Nice Early Japanese Type 95 Copper Handle NCO Samurai Sword - Art Swords Exploring History with the National Archives Special Media Division. Carved bone and carved ivory sword mountings almost always have untempered, soft steel blades. Be the first to know of our latest discoveries and exclusive offers. "Ninja swords" are a Hollywood fiction. The one thing that always sets off alarms on these is the tsuka almost looks blurred or sandblasted, the real NCO's are usually crisp and bold and well defined. How the sword is mounted has nothing to do with its age or authenticity. There is a suspicion that this is a fake. Guaranteed authentic: A WW2 Type 95 Japanese army NCO's sword, Kokura arsenal stamp. The Americans destroyed a large number of swords by dumping them into the ocean or by melting them. Used In good condition! This service used example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana, with aluminum handle construction and machine made fullered blade. The position of the number on the blade, configured to be read with the cutting edge down, identifies the sword as having been produced by the Tokyo Arsenal (The only other source for the Type 95 sword was the Nagoya arsenal, which impressed the number on the blade in such a. Matching serial numbers 31123. But it would really help to see that. Then the horror is the "Ko" stamp! Most swords do not have matching numbers because somewhere along the life of the sword the scabbard was changed. Yes, those are strangely too perfect and not a recognized font. remounted in samurai type mounts by collectors. There are genuine collectors throughout China too. China has a rising group of wealthy individuals who are buying up cars, gold, realeatate, antiques and art at an alarming rate. WW II era machine made swords have an etched temper line, not a true temper line (hamon) made
So if they put their mind to it, an NCO sword should be no problem to reproduce. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Yeah I guess Japanese military swords don't get much attention from the well known names. Military Japanese 95 Type Army Sword Samurai Katana Brass Handle ~Serial Number. Your previous content has been restored. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Number of bids and bid amounts may be slightly out of date. You cannot paste images directly. Agree with others had to study it for a bit, since it is not an obvious reproduction - but at the end of the day, it has issues! This would fool most entry level guys. This prevents the sword from falling when the soldier is running. I was so stupid to have some and sold it - for better swords. Something went wrong. It comes with the original bag it came home from the war in. In my earlier years, I would have rattled off a long list of the things I see wrong, where the veterans would remain silent. Greetings. A lot of people buy it and some weeks later you can buy it as a original NCO Sword.. Let's sum up. Clear editor.
Japanese WW2 Type 95 Army NCO Sword. Nagoya Arsenal 2nd Type I am not sure why the serial numbers are covered? The Phillips screw was only patented in 1932, and hadn't caught on in most of the world by WWII. the Japanese soldier, not an end of war mass surrender item (swords like many dealers, there main concern is profit, regardless of the piece being a reproduction. Though i think its great that the militaria collectors can help each other look out for the fakes! Katana | HEAVY Cutter For HEAVY Targets. Replica swords and many
The sword sheathes and draws very well, and the 20062021 Nihonto Message Board Rare 1st Type with matching numbers "4428" on blade and scabbard. There are stories that the small papers between the handle wrap (ito) and
Japanese Arisaka Type 99 Last Ditch Complete Bolt With Matching Serial I ask you to help in determining the authenticity of the sword. The fuller on a real T95 goes almost to the habaki (collar), the brass part around the blade just above the tsuba/guard. There are so many. Showing an average amount of wear throughout, this Japanese Type 95 NCO Shin-Gunto is a beautiful example throughout. swords. Pair of Mid 19th Century Japanese Long Blade Katana Swords with Scabbards, Japanese Samurai Katana Sword Blade NCO Matching Number Copper Handle Steel Saya, Japanese Sword - Naganata or Wakizashi - Suki Sada Osafune Province - Circa 1570, EXCELLENT WWII Japanese Sword NCO CAVALRY SABER Original World War 2 SHIN GUNTO, Katana, samurai sword - tamahagane steel - Simon lee - Japan - 20th century, Japanese Clay Tempered 1095 Steel Tanto Sword Shirasaya Razor Sharp Knife Dagger, Damascus Folded Steel Tachi Japanese Samurai Sword katana Full Tang Sharp, CUSTOM HANDMADE D2-TOOL STEEL CHINESE STYLE SAMURAI TANTO SWORD WITH SHEATH, GREAT SAMURAI SWORD - AMAZING KATANA JL-055B, Antique Japanese SAMURAI Sword NIHONTO WAKIZASHI Musashitarou Yasukuni, 2020 Pokemon Japanese Sword & Shield Shiny Star V Marnie Shiny 198 PSA 10, Worldwar2 imperial japanese army koshirae exterior for NCO shin-gunto type95, WWII Japanese SHOWA 18-year Type3 Sword NIHONTO KATANA Imperial Japanese Army WW, WW2 Japanese Army Officer SHINGUNTO KATANA Samurai Sword Type 98 *HAND-FORGED*, Zinc Alloy Hand Guard Tsuba Kashira Fuchi Menuki For Japanese Katana Sword, Proffesional TANTO DAMAST TRAINING 6KM46-165BK, Beautiful Hanwei Celestial Katana in Superb condition, upgraded Sageo, with tags, WW II JAPANESE OFFICERS SAMURAI SWORD - ESTATE ITEM VET P/U. About 80,000 of the Ko sabers were produced between 1899 and 1936, with the lowest reported serial number being 1175 and the highest one being 83390. Etchings. of forging the blade using multiple folds,etc. After that I heard nothing. tourist momentos that are commonly thought to be some special type of Japanese sword. In Germany you got now only fake Gunto. / scabbard has quite a bit of its original war time browning and That is an important part of identifying the authenticity of an NCO. 2- no screw is used as per T-95 usual fashion on the hilt but a special screw assembly located on the pommel and holed for the sword knot. Even should they be able to reproduce the sword exactly, it is not just that one should be looking at, but a series of common features in patina that are universal to genuine, old NCO. Saw these photos of a fake Type 95.
Original WWII Japanese Army Type 95 NCO Katana Sword with Matching & valuations.
The overall swords are getting better. Legal Notice - International Military Antiques, Inc observes all Federal, State and local laws. They just copy the real swords they import.Just comment what you like, you are not changing anything. This was a tough one! I agree. These were made as tourist items from the 1870's through the 1930's.
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