70 AD John 5:2 would NOT SAY, There IS (present, not past tense) in Jerusalem,
that John would never die began to be widely believed in AD 98 AND FOR GOOD
(John
persecution (which was no way near as wide spread as Full-Preterists suggest)
5. visit it today at Nablus, Israel: "So He came to a city of Samaria called
FAQ: How Did The Apostle Peter Appoint His Succesor? Although some date it during Neros reign (A.D. 54-68), their arguments are unconvincing and conflict with the view of the early church. Eusebius agrees with Clement of Alexandria and adds that John returned from the Island of Patmos after Domitian died. John is the author of five books in the New Testament: - The Gospel of John (this is where he identifies himself as the disciple whom Jesus loved)- 1 John- 2 John- 3 John- Revelation. The evidence agrees with Revelation 1:9. Often asked: Why And When St John The Apostle Was Canonized? the many magnificent building projects of Herod the Great. The silence of the literary sources that document such a
Against Heresies. theologian and apostle, survived until the time of Trajan. (Papias fragment 1,
Yes apostle John wrote five books, the gospel of John, 1,2, 3 Ante-Nicene Fathers. This was part of Johns challenge, describing things thousands of years into the future with language and references of the first century AD. He is also given credit for writing the fourth biblical narrative of the Gospel and possibly the Revelation to John; however, there has been considerable discussion of the actual identity of the writers of these works. passages but did not expect to be alive, even in old age, for the second
. in which He entered with His disciples." the city till the rapture in AD 66 3 months before the First Jewish War started
Its the book that closes out the Bible, the one book in the Bible that many people are afraid to read. Ouch to
7. raptured. Confirmation that a local healing cult continued into
Even in A.D. 904 many of the inhabitants of Thessaloniki were deported to Patmos as prisoners after it was defeated. John the Author John wrote 5 books in the New Testament. years old, having outlived all the other apostles. Sodom, Egypt, The Harlot, Coins, Dead Sea
comments, input or corrections. In 1 John 1:1 the apostle John speaks about touching the Lord with his hands and seeing Him. "There are in Jerusalem
John was 99 years old. AD because it says the Garden where Jesus prayed no longer existed! The Muratorian Fragment was written about A.D. 170 since Polycarp (A.D. 69-155) refers to the Fragment himself. supposedly wrote the book before AD 70: 1. The Book of Revelation was written sometime around 96 CE in Asia Minor. the young 20 year old disciples baptized in AD 60 also believed that John would
Irenaeus. So it is called the sheep after the sacrifice. Those who claim that Nero and Domitian were interchangeable names for the same person have ignored the obvious. Irenaeus quotes every chapter of the book of the Revelation. Of course, believing the prophecy nonsense written in the Old Testament did not help him a. SCREAM FICTION as loudly as the lack of archeological evidences for the Book of
The author of Revelation is the apostle John, or as he called himself the disciple whom Jesus loved. Revelation 1:4 (NASB). The external evidences can only support what is internal. Each of the horsemen represents a different facet of the apocalypse: conquest, war, famine, and death. raptured. E. Eusebius: External Literary Source #1: Eusebius says the Gospel of John was written at Ephesus
This tradition is credible because banishment was a common punishment used during the Imperial period for a number of offenses. Sodom, Egypt, The Harlot, Intro 3: Coins, Dead Sea
. [1], Here he states that John was a disciple or apostle of Jesus Christ and that he wrote the Apocalypse or the book of Revelation. 20:36). major event as the invisible rapture of every Christian on earth in AD 66 SCREAM
of Daniel: 1260 days. 159-161. If you are on Jesus side, here is good news you win. Jesus had spoken these words, He went forth with His disciples over the ravine
All rights reserved. The former of these, in Book 2 of his work Against Heresies,
Against Heresies. How old is the Gospel of John? The Gospel of John, sometimes called "the spiritual gospel," was probably composed between 90 and 100 CE. he saw the linen wrappings lying there," (John
Here is a partial quote from the Fragment. d. And according to Full-Preterist theology, there is no
is that John was no longer around after AD 70 because he was killed by the Jews
No warnings to
the date exile ended, not when Revelation was written 32 years earlier in AD
Your email address will not be published. Internal Evidence #2: John
The brief time between Pauls ministry there and the end of Neros reign was too short for such a decline to have occurred. Of course, when John is almost 100 years old and wrote
Full Preterism Falsified: No bible
1995. vol. When you read Revelation, nowhere in the book does it state that John is in exile or imprisoned. How old was the Apostle John when he wrote Revelation? This is faulty reasoning based upon tense because even
In like manner, Tertullian cites the author as the Apostle John and quotes from almost every chapter of the book. Victorinus Victorinus (late third century), author of the earliest commentary on the book of Revelation, wrote: SCREAM FICTION as loudly as the lack of archeological evidences for the Book of
Therefore, he was not
rest of their forces should lie still, ken out of the cohorts should make their way
In fact, from a Full-Preterist point of view,
. My position is that Revelation was written in A.D . 1, p. 491. John
had the seven messengers had a better chance of living through Neros
Ante-Nicene Fathers. No! The central synchronism is the Ezekiel's account of the destruction of Jerusalem in 587 BC. Once it had five
We can also conclude that John was imprisoned on the Island of Patmos. 7. The author and date of the book of Revelation is determined by internal and external information. No other author in the New Testament spoke in this manner of his personal relationship with Jesus as John did! Votive offerings characteristic of grateful devotees of Serapis or of Asclepius
What Does It Mean That There Is No One Holy Like God? still in use in AD 325, but as being architecturally identically as well. We will start with Revelation 1:4. after the Second
Justin Martyr (A.D. 100 -166) wrote in Dialogue With Trypho chap 81 that the author of Revelation was John, an apostle of the Lord. The message is about what is to come. Required fields are marked *. 3.3.4). should get upon that holy house, and fight us thence, yet ought we not to
before AD 70 with a supernatural life expectancy that enabled him to see the
was likely about 66 years old. Now the question before us is when was Revelation written and where was it written? There are now pointed out twin pools, of which one is filled by the
Knowing that the Romans used the Island of Patmos as a prison strongly suggests that is why John was there. 3. they got upon it, and fought any more, he might burn it; because it must then
It will be worth it all in the end. Eusebius describes the pool of John 5:2, as not only
9:1335. There persons
1966. p. 12. The Book of Revelation was written sometime around 96 CE in Asia Minor. (John 5:2). Ouch to
As you can see,
John and the book of Revelations. AD 70, Sunday, 9 Lous/Av), should leave as many of the towers standing
The Canon of Scripture. of every Christian on earth in AD 66 SCREAM
8. Mormon, especially when the actual literary sources we do posses vociferously
quickly statements used by Johns Gospel and three letters, if the rapture was
the other disciple ran ahead faster than Peter and came to the tomb first; and
5. disciple of the Lord, going to bathe at Ephesus, and perceiving Cerinthus
Jacobs well WAS there." flee the destruction of Jerusalem which was only 4-8 years away when John
(see section
Pool in Jerusalem which is
disciples expected John to supernaturally outlive EVERYONE alive in AD 33 to
Hippolytus quotes extensively from chapters 17 and 18, attributing them to John the Apostle. The
[11] He clearly refers to two separate individuals in the phrase. are twin pools with five porticoes which are called Bethsaida. Lets look at this encounter: I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. John called himself the beloved probably because he understood Gods love more than anyone else, also having witnessed the crucifixion. Was Jacobs well destroyed? to Julian calendar date converter, Josephus
visit it today at Nablus, Israel: "So He came to a city of Samaria called
You have nothing to fear. Peter was likely only 70 in AD 70. It appears that Revelation was written between A.D. 43-47. Second,internal and external data is provided for the location where the book was written and the date of its writing. 1, p. 479, 484, 486, 493, 557, 564. with the central message of Jesus and Revelation to
brought unbound by the priests into the bath, whence it received its name.) If John was written after
When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Full-Preterists say date the writing of John, 1st
In fact, he refers to himself in every chapter of the book of Revelation, except in chapters two and three which the author has already indicated he wrote. Yes he was. proves it was written after 70 AD: Was the water gone after 70 AD? [and demolish it]; because the Jews would never leave off rebelling while that
Jerusalem in AD 66, it makes Johns entire effort of writing Revelation to the
Hendrickson. after the Second
g. In fact, from a Full-Preterist point of view,
In the New Testament, you just cant say John wrote the book because there were a few important people named John in that time. He was creating a written record of the things God was about to reveal to him. You will find the identity of the writer in Revelation 1:4. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, and among the lampstands was someone like a son of man, dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. There is both internal and external evidence that reveals that the apostle John wrote the book of Revelation while he was imprisoned on the Island of Patmos. In verse 4 we are told that John wrote to the seven churches that are in Asia. outlive his own natural time of death. from earth on. Sychar, near the parcel of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph; and
were unearthed in the debris in the double pool. AD 64. e. Finally, if the primary purpose of Revelation was to save
So he commanded that the chosen
of the Lord in his lifetime!!! John suffered martyrdom before the Parousia and did not live and remain until
they are confusing John for Peter, whom John clearly outran to the tomb in 5
distinct applications: AD 70 and the Second coming after that when John was
First of all [he wrote] to the Corinthians forbidding schisms and heresies; then to the Galatians [forbidding] circumcision; to the Romans he wrote at greater length about the order of the scriptures and also insisting that Christ was their primary theme. For example, Irenaeus (A.D. 115 202) wrote in his book Against Heresies. Obviously then, the rumour
Bzatha (Bethsaida). inscription point to Herodian times, making it one of
Josephus records how Titus was careful to preserve the
Writing in the second century, Irenaeus declared that Revelation had been written toward the end of Domitians reign. But although [the message] is repeated to the Corinthians and Thessalonians by way of reproof, yet one church is recognized as diffused throughout the whole world. Revelation 1. Votive offerings characteristic of grateful devotees of Serapis or of Asclepius
10. Then in numerous other passages in Against Heresies he refers to John and quotes from the book of Revelation.[2]. The sacrificial victims were
writes word for word as follows: And all the presbyters who had associated in
John Walvoord makes this statement about the authorship of Revelation. apostles physically is that John was the fastest runner! The book of Revelation probably succeeded in
at the second coming. Whats interesting to note is that in this place of exile and banishment, God gave him this great revelation. The Book of Revelation was written around 68-69 AD by the Apostle John on the Island of Patmos after the Emperor Nero exiled him for preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ. 4.14.2; 4.17.6; 4.18.6; 4.21.3; 5.28.2; 5.34.2. 3 john. there is no consistent pattern of John using. (Baker
Titus proposed to these that they should give
All Rights Reserved. through two witnesses, and these should be trustworthy, for they represented
Calvin didn't write commentaries on 2 John, 3 John, or Revelation. 1973. pp. had they NOT gone to Jerusalem! . "John also was
Lord, and what about this man? Jesus said to him, If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you? God has nothing but the best planned for those who love him. Mormon, especially when the actual literary sources we do posses vociferously
A General Introduction To The Bible. He is sometimes referred to as John of Patmos because he was on the Isle of Patmos when he wrote the book of Revelation. Historical records indicate that Nerva reigned from A.D. 96 to A.D. 98. He wrote The Gospel According to John, First, Second and Third John, and he was the penman of the Book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ. What John also describes is what happens after that, and then ultimately the judgement of Satan and all who choose not to follow Christ. Moreover [Paul writes] one [letter] to Philemon, one to Titus and two to Timothy in love and affection; but they have been hallowed for the honor of the catholic church in the regulation of ecclesiastical discipline. used as a sweetener. Clarence L. Haynes Jr. is a speaker, Bible teacher, and co-founder of The Bible Study Club. mentions these as the only works written by him, saying something like this: , Papias, a man of the early period, who was a
Conclusion: The Pool of Bethsaida was not destroyed in
One of the problems that John faced as he wrote these letters to the seven Haer. needed fixing. Titus then order fire extinguishers to save the temple itself and then holds a
Required fields are marked *. Jerusalem in AD 66, it makes Johns entire effort of writing Revelation to the
Patmos was a small penal colony to which John was banished. Caesar gave orders that they should now demolish the entire city and
This is why John felt the need to quell the rumour, because he
4th June AD 66 just like the fictional
1995. vol. The substantiating evidence for any other author than John the Apostle, however, is almost entirely lacking. the pool. Justin Martyr. 9. What are the 3 main themes of the book of Revelation? . That could be expected of a man who was 60 years old, but it could hardly be expected of a man who was 96 years old. miraculously red, as they say, bearing the traces of the sacrificial victims
b. Is Bethany today, no longer NEAR Jerusalem! hand and one upon the left where were made by Solomon; and further in the city
above). Prior to him writing the book, there was a time of tremendous persecution in the church. There is nothing unique or unusual about John being
which are entitled Expositions of the Sayings of the Lord. Irenaeus also
needed fixing. summer | 4.2K views, 92 likes, 102 loves, 53 comments, 67 shares, Facebook Watch Videos from The Ramp: His presence is here, worship with us at Summer. It seems clear that the early church attributed the book to John the Apostle. (241) But Titus said, that although the Jews
The Gospel of John was NOT written for Jews
He is the author ofThe Pursuit of Purpose which will help you understand how God leads you into his will. The apostle John was later freed, possibly due to old age, and he returned to what is now Turkey. the 2d century comes from archaeological excavations at the site (Duprez 1970). only 2 years away. How old was John when he wrote Revelation. only 2 years away. .[8]. Ecclesiastical History. Rome to use: The Pool of Bethesda: The Architectural style and
But Polycarp also was not only instructed by apostles, and conversed
comments, input or corrections, Contact the author for
1:9 (NASB). afterwards. Many other early fathers can be cited in similar fashion, such as Clement of Alexandria and Origen. Sheffield: Journal for the Study of the Old . Lyman is often noted as the most recent LDS Church apostle to have been excommunicated. until the 6th century AD and was never destroyed. remained with them until the times of Trajan. And in Book 3 of the same work
before the Parousia, not because he was raptured [4th June AD 66]. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: Do not be afraid. What an incredible challenge. John is traditionally regarded as the author of five books of the Bible: the Gospel of John, the epistles 1 John, 2 John, and 3 John, and the Book of Revelation, although some Bible scholars dispute which of these (if any) he actually wrote. Who was the last LDS apostle to be excommunicated? Apostle John lived during Caesar Trajan (AD 98-117). And if most of the Christians were already killed by Nero
most of the Christians alive in AD 30 would also live as long or longer than
revenge ourselves on things that are inanimate, instead of the men themselves;
Jerusalem. The internal evidence states that John is the author of the entire book of Revelation. This is faulty reasoning based upon tense because even
2 john. When he was released from exile, he returned to Ephesus. It appears that Revelation was written between A.D. 43-47. The spiritual decline of the the seven churches (chaps. The author of the Book of Revelation identifies himself as John , and the book has been traditionally credited to John the Apostle. He is also believed to be the only disciple who died of old age (the others were allegedly martyred). John was 99 years old. Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy written in this scroll (Revelation 22:6-7). There are no reliable records of any such thing. I guess this was the emperors method of trying to shut him down and silence him. Justin Martyr quotes Johns view that Christ would dwell a thousand years in Jerusalem. The Revelation of John is the one book in the New Testament that claims John as its author. The book of Revelation was written around AD 95. Bible Only Revelation Commentary by Steven Rudd Dating the Gospel of John to AD 98 4. (Red like
187, 191, 193. miracle. 81. because not only will John outlive Peter, but. c. Even worse, according to Full-Preterist
Nevertheless, this inner circle apostle is the same John who wrote Revelation. Me! Therefore this saying went out among the brethren
An attack by them on the authorship of John intended to weaken the force of the prophecy . What did Jesus do between the age of 12 and 30? III, XX, The Fathers of the Church. Changing water into wine at Cana in John 2:1-11 the first of the signs . Bourd. Rome to use: a. mentions these as the only works written by him, saying something like this: Papias, a man of the early period, who was a
The Pool of Bethesda: The Architectural style and
At this time,
Alexandria. Then in the ninth and tenth verses, that is, Revelation 1:9-10, John refers to himself as I., I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. Was the water gone after 70 AD? synchronism is the Ezekiels account of the destruction of Jerusalem in 587
[Strongs # 2052] in Jerusalem by the sheep gate a pool, which is called in
Irenaeus. Revelation to AD 66 and Gospel of John to 98 AD, Old
went forth, and they were going to the tomb. porticos. Having outlived all the other apostles to the age
Jewish Revolt against Rome. two large pools at the north side of the temple, that is one upon the right
the E end of the double pool. The arguments for rejecting the apostolic authorship stem largely from the theological climate of the third century. Date of the
3. Your email address will not be published. the Parousia. hearer of John and a companion of Polycarp, Full-Preterists cannot adequately harmonize their . Did Jesus' Second Coming occur in 70 A.D.. comments, input or corrections. the city till the rapture in AD 66 3 months before the First Jewish War started
Thomas Nelson Publishers. Originally Answered: How old was the apostle John when he wrote Revelations? John 21:20-23, when properly expounded triggers a catastrophic collapse
St John the Divine was exiled to the island of Patmos when he This provides conclusive evidence that the DomitianEusebius refers to is the Domitian who reigned from A.D. 81 to A.D. 96. The tradition of John's exile was started by Augustine about 200 years after John lived. eccl. unlike all other men, would live till the second coming as an eternal. coming. of Jerusalem, which for Full-Preterists is odd, since John writes the entire
f.
The pilgrims report similar happenings. Jerusalem Christians an irrelevant act of futility! Revelation written in AD 66 2. Tertullian also has mentioned Domitian in the following words: Domitian also, who possessed a share of Neros cruelty, attempted once to do the same thing that the latter did. hand and one upon the left where were made by Solomon; and further in the city
second coming. The losing of Jesus is the third of the Seven Sorrows of Mary, and the Finding in the Temple is the fifth Joyful Mystery of the Rosary. Even if the gospel of John was written in 60/61 AD,
John was still universally believed at this late date, to supernaturally
3. an eternal and live past the normal age of life. And I hold the keys of death and Hades. he also of Bethany WAS near Jerusalem, about two
1988. pp. John wrote the book of Revelation during his exile.